Joined Mar 8, 2006 Messages 457 Reaction score 2 Location staffordshire . The UK’s music licensing organisations PPL and PRS for Music have been issuing licences and collecting music royalties for decades. Recent investigations have taken a look into a loophole which allows foreign drivers licences to be swapped for UK licences illegally causing multiple risks for the public. That isn't already covered by something else. It seems absurd to me. PRS licence - is there a loophole? dwilkie. We'll need a licence next to drive in our cars. I find it a stupid carry on, all because they are struggling with the down turn in the economy. Forum Member 11/03/09 - 13:16 in Radio #1. hi all, my work have just received a letter saying we need a PRS licence to have our radio on. PRS Licence. so just make sure it's someones birthday in the pub I mean what's the chances of it being someones birthday everyday. Forum Member. I am self-employed. Very good. PPL PRS Ltd launched the joint licence on 26 February 2018 and offers a single licence, called TheMusicLicence, on behalf of both PRS for Music and PPL, to play or perform music in public. If you’d like to join in, please sign in or register. Since 2014, he has led the company to partnerships with Facebook Live, LinkedIn, Microsoft … 0. johnnyoxford Posts: 722. If you use, play or listen to recorded music in your business, the chances are you need a music licence. You might be interested to know that music released before 31 December 1962 is now public domain and does not require a PPL licence. oh for pities sakes why are people so gullible? the radio station has paid the PRS so the listener owes nothing. loophole definition: 1. a small mistake in an agreement or law that gives someone the chance to avoid having to do…. However, they have listened to feedback from you, their customers, who wanted a more straightforward approach to buying a licence … You still will need the PRS licence. Analysis UK performing rights society the PRS* has told its 111,000 members that it is now reluctantly suing SoundCloud after five years of fruitless negotiations, for refusing to properly compensate its members after streaming their works. Is there any music which isn’t covered by a licence from PRS for Music or PPL? headphones are a health and safety hazard where I work! They want 63 quid off me for listening to Radio 4 in my little shop and on looking into it, I also need a PRS licence which will cost me 200 quid for the first year. New customers of both PRS for Music and PPL can obtain their joint music licence by calling 0845 140 0090. If you are a DJ / Musician / Performer are you aware that if you are performing at a "family occasion" i.e birthday, wedding etc that you do not need the PRS Licence ! I am waiting for the day to arrive when they start nicking the "wallybrains" who play music on their phones in public:D . 12/03/09 - 11:35 #28. i wish they would!!!! 21. DIGITAL SPY, PART OF THE HEARST UK ENTERTAINMENT NETWORK. http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Clarify-PRS/, http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/04/patents_pirates_and_ipods.html. If your station pays the PRS then you are covered for all stations! The way I … I've just received a slightly abrupt letter from the PPL licencing chaps. Don't think this comes under the jurisdiction of the PRS- or does it??? Hi just posted on another PRS thread but s this is a newer one thought I'd post here as well. The Law says that a radio playing in a shop/place of work - whatever - constitutes a Public Performance and royalties are therefore due. What has certainly changed is the commercial situation the music industry finds itself in. http://www.absoluteradio.co.uk/listen/at_work.html?utm_source=left_nav, http://www.prsformusic.com/playingbroadcastingonline/music_for_businesses/Pages/FAQ.aspx#4, http://www.ipo.gov.uk/consult-musiclicensing-summary.pdf, http://www.whirligig-tv.co.uk/radio/workersplaytime.htm, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/7029892.stm. PRS told me you need a license … This joint venture means that businesses and organisations playing or performing music in public can now obtain a single licence, TheMusicLicence. I may be wrong here, but wasn't the law changed fairly rec cently so that as long as you bought say a cd legally,you could copy it on to say an ipod for use in other locations. PPL PRS Ltd. 0. silentnight Posts: 96. I can't give legal advice but I would say that would have you covered. ©2020 Hearst UK is the trading name of the National Magazine Company Ltd, 30 Panton Street, Leicester Square, London, SW1Y 4AJ. Or did I just dream it? The term covers recorded music played on CD as well as music playing on a radio or television set. I actually support the PRS in the current YouTube thingy... they have after all made millions of pounds out of broadcasting copyrighted material for next to nothing (and for a long time paid nothing at all) but I don't understand why businesses have to pay to have the radio on in an office. I don't care about what people say the PRS are sanctioned criminals and IMHO the line gets drawn here! PHD Legal advice takes a look at the dangerous effects it has. You might be interested to know that music released before 31 December 1962 is now public domain and does not require a PPL licence. Nick is a livestreaming and social video expert and leads the Switcher Studio team as CEO and co-founder. It's a bit bit a falacy to say that there's no real income from CD sales, or that there's been a dramatic fall in sales. It seems that now the eTA application tool rejects eTA submissions coming from PRs… Perhaps the term "loophole" shouldnt have been used. Learn more. Previously, most businesses and organisations had to obtain separate music licences from PPL and PRS for Music.. Monday 26th October 2009. The loophole I am referring to is being able to clear an eTA application ( despite being a PR) and travelling with a visa-exempt passport ( not revealing you are a PR). A big artist - and even reasonably small ones does get a cut from the PRS licences and for them it is a viable and good source of income. The radio station has already paid PRS and if it's OK to listen on headphones..? PPL and PRS for Music continue to set their respective public performance tariffs separately. Between the three of them that amounts to around £700 a year to listen to the radio. PPL PRS is the UK's music licensing company. This is a separate process to obtaining a licence. After a longstanding smuggling network was exposed in the recent "meat cartel" scandal, another loophole in the inspection … Potential developers, investors, funders and public and private student accommodation providers should be aware of the significant changes to residential landlord and tenant law effected by … I suspect that the law, and the requirement to have a PRS licence to distribute radio programmes within work places hasn't changed. How do I get a PRS licence? Wiltshire Constabulary refused to pay PRS for Music for a £32,000 licence fee in April 2009. PPL PRS Ltd launched the joint licence on 26 February 2018 and offers a single licence, called TheMusicLicence, on behalf of both PRS … There are certain circumstances under which you will not need to obtain a licence to use copyright music in your business. 147 months. All this PRS business sounds very much like a re-run of the "Home Taping" fiasco which reared it's ugly head in, was it the 70's? Listening in the workplace – why do I need a music licence? MCPRS (Previously PRS) and PPL are royalty collection agencies in the UK for collecting the royalties for the use of the composition and performance of a piece of music in public places (amongst other uses) respectively. Former MI6 officer and author reveals 'license to kill' loophole. PRS for Music - Production Music Licence Manager. its gonna cost us about £300 and there is no way my boss will pay that in the … 24. Both PRS for Music and PPL have agreed that they will grant a 'grace period' of not less than 12 months from the date of the removal of the exemptions from the legislation for organisations to obtain the necessary licenses. It seems absurd to me. If you were to play royalty-free music in your shop you wouldn’t need to bother paying for a licence. After a lifelong residency in New York City, President Donald Trump is officially trading in the skyscrapers of the Big Apple for the palm trees of the Sunshine State. No approval required, publishing and master rights cleared for the life of your production with one simple online application. 13,000 UK licences obtained via loophole in the law, PHD Legal Advice look at the dangers involved. Read on to find our what PRS or PPL won’t fully explain about your position if you are playing music, and what options you have for your next steps. Does that make a difference? Its policy change comes days after presidential candidate Michael Bloomberg exploited a loophole to run such humorous messages promoting his campaign on the accounts of popular Instagram personali What's the difference between 100 people listening to 100 radios (no PRS) and 100 people listening to 1 radio (PRS due)? ... my work have just received a letter saying we need a PRS licence to have our radio on. Scanners not repaired for a year, possible avenue for smugglers at Westports. If I go to the barbers and he has BBC Radio 2 playing in the salon then I cant see why the shop has to have a PRS licence to let me listen to the output that I have already paid a licence fee for and am entitled to listen to. For more information on PPL PRS Ltd, please visit www.pplprs.co.uk Welcome to the Digital Spy forums. 22. or is that it, I have to work in silence from now on? is there any loopholes?? All Rights Reserved. So providing a TV in a staff canteen requires an employer to buy an annual PRS music licence, not just a TV licence. The registration process is a once-off process and there is no cost involved in registering as a PRS provider. PRS for Music - Production Music Licence Manager. Contact +44 (0) 20 3741 3888 9am–5.30pm, Mon–Fri; applications@prsformusic.com What you don't get is if people still accept this extortion then the PRS will carry on doing it. In addition we are chased every year for a PRS for Music and a PPL licence. If any payments under the licence become overdue, we will contact you by post, email or telephone. Even the PRS website is vague on the rules, if Absolute know that its ok for 3 or less people to listen to a station why are the PRS not stating this? Posted: Aug 4, 2017 By: Bob Dunn Member since: May 9, 2016 #19. If you’d like to join in, please sign in or register. Next Reply Author. Check out Absolute Radio's page about listening at work: Stream radio from a foreign station? If a small shop is open six days a week, a PRS licence could cost the owner about 3p an hour. If employees are listening to music through headphones a music licence would not be required because it does not constitute a public performance. Is there any way around not paying ppl and prs music licence. I think the PRS should be abolished, no wonder everybody is doing things illegally, the model is unfair and unworkable. It's not like a … I am in the situation of working at an arts centre where we require all our visiting companies to licence themselves for what they want to play in shows as we do not have a PRS licence. DIGITAL SPY, PART OF THE HEARST UK ENTERTAINMENT NETWORK. For many businesses, the typical fee is a few hundred pounds a year. Thanks x 1; List ; Azimuth UKBF Newcomer Free Member. I'm almost scared that if my mobile rings when i'm on the bus and a member of the PRS is onboard, i'll get fined for a public performance!! "A PRS licence is required for any 'mechanical performance' of copyright music as a background to work, meals, rest rooms or breaks at work places in the UK. You still will need the PRS licence. We'll need a licence next to drive in our cars. Wednesday 23rd September 2009. I just know other shop keepers who dont agree with paying such things. That's a tiny amount to pay to improve staff working conditions. It's just background music to give the place a bit of atmosphere, no one is being charged for such a service. basically even if you have a PRS licence you are STILL breaking the law as you dont have a PPL licence its absolutely crazy! The radio station has already paid PRS and if it's OK to listen on headphones..? PRS for Music and PPL, the UK’s two music collecting societies, have joined forces to set up PPL PRS Ltd, a joint venture combining the two societies’ public performance licensing activities. PRS licence - is there a loophole? Registered in England. ©2020 Hearst UK is the trading name of the National Magazine Company Ltd, 30 Panton Street, Leicester Square, London, SW1Y 4AJ. Registered in England. Despite popular belief, you only need TheMusicLicence to play artists who TheMusicLicence / PPL / PRS for Music represent. Ok so the rules as written are far too stringent but where do you start drawing the line? However on a 'rumour' I was told that we could play music (cd's brought from home, I.e hmv/shop bought ect) in our foyer area as background music. If the radio is turned off, morale will suffer and neither the music nor the adverts will be heard. I understand the music industry's predicament with illegal downloads and I still buy CD's but I think this is yet another tax on enjoyment. PRS Licence - Loophole . See here and it has left me wondering about PRS licences. Scotland Today in news nipslip outrage. Find out what this means for you. Imagine that you own a small store or cafe. Instead the force told all officer and civilian staff that music could no longer be played in their workplaces but that ban excluded patrol cars. We have a TV licence to cover the premises just in case anyone watches the TV over the internet, this also covers the use of the radio. 5yearstobuyatvr. Garages have already been written to and been told turn it off or pay up. Obviously royalty-free music doesn’t include the chart hits or allow you to play the radio, so it’s not an option for everyone. Forum Member. Under this arrangement, PRS for Music acts as an agent for PPL, issuing the new joint music licence that grants you the permission you need from both organisations to play recorded music. But if we tuned to a radio station being rebroadcast on Sky (which we don't but go with me on this one) would that make us liable for PRS? A total of 38 of 49 UK police forces currently hold PRS for Music licences. Things to be … Aggressive bastards. 0 0 . PRS licence - is there a loophole? Thread starter claire bear; Start date Aug 26, 2014; Help Support SalonGeek: C. claire bear Well-Known Member. What's the ruling if you work at a radio station? Quite frankly, I think it's scandalous and would do pretty much anything to avoid adding to my business overheads. Seems silly. You want some tunes playing in the background while the customers shop, setting a friendly and welcoming tone. They simply apply the Law. To apply for a premium rate service (“PRS”) licence, all providers must first register with ComReg to set up an online account. Posted: 22 June 2010. I wouldn't be surprised if the PRS had to pay back a vast amount of money which was collected 'unfairly'. PRS for Music Production Music Licence Manager Log in; We represent over a million tracks of pre-cleared music from over 200 catalogues. 2,222 posts. 23. If so, has anyone ever been prosecuted for failing to do so. All Rights Reserved. I've heard that i need to apply for more than 1 licence. Employers should write to the radio station telling them they have stopped listening because of PRS costs. its gonna cost us about £300 and there is no way my boss will pay that in the current climate! Discussion. is there any loopholes?? When do I Need a PRS Licence? The PRS is a not-for-profit organisation that collects royalties on behalf of composers, authors and publishers. Is it a legal requirement to purchase these licences? PRS will act also for PPL for Community Buildings, PPL will act also for IRS for music for Sport Clubs and CCLI can act also for PRS for music and PPC for churches. Is it against the law not to have a licence? Maybe just don't pay and see if anything happens. Again picking on the guys on the ground. this is getting so out of hand! We have received a demand from the PRS to apply for a licence, which I calculate will be £350- £700 or risk fines, legal action etc etc. Please note, if you play music that is outside of PRS for Music’s control, you may need an additional licence from the relevant copyright owner(s). We have Sky TV on all day at work, mainly for the news and sport. 788 posts. Welcome to the Digital Spy forums. Seems silly. What will happen to if I continue to play music in my workplace without a licence? Reply Prev 1 2 3. of 4. and not purchase a PRS or PPL licence? Get a quote / licence. or is that it, I have to work in silence from now on? 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